Hi Michael ! It was big controversial in Facebook. Agree and disagree fifty, fifty. some intellectual were agree with my status and young generation were disagree. I needed to explain many times. I just want to post what I answered to them. Why I said whore is more Feminist than textual feminist. In my status, I was not talking about second person, I was talking about first person one to one. In this case whore has less fear about prestige and society, so she can shout against any kinds of violence, discrimination, injustice. But textual first starts to think about prestige, family, society. So if something happen to her, she keep calm. All these are because of fear.
Some of small question I did not put here. I hope it makes more clear to you. There was not enough space in comment denied to post, So I am posting here. There were good discussion. If you have any place write I will share link to that side.
Ed Smith i think you will need to clarify what you mean, because thus far it does not sound too good
Desh Subba Dear Ed Smith, thank you for your curiosity. If two feminists are travelling in crowded bus, working place and society, they faced sexual violence, harrashment and some kinds of domination, exploitation, texual feminist mostly stay calm, because of losing reputation, fame, family, friends, job and business. but whore has no fear to loose. Her brand is open. No prestige, no family. So she is more courageous. Textual feminist writes huge book. gives lecture, in practical life, she even her domestic domination can not speak. If somebody can not raise her problems then how can represent community. This is I want to say in my. status. Yes words do not sound good, but it is reality.
Ed Smith But being a prostitute does not make one a feminist, nor does being a woman writer make one a coward. And being a prostitute is possibly the worst slavery of all.
Desh Subba yes, they are slavery in public view. This slavery everyone can see, It makes them fearless to talk about their problem. But more slavery is unseen in texual feminist . This unseen slavery makes them fearful. They afraid that, It be seen. Inside curtain of conservative, religious belief, cultural believe , superstition make them fearful. To maintain this reputation they shut their mouth for themselves, their sweet mouths opens for other people dear Ed Smith. who shut their mouth for themselves, how it can open for others. To open for others is artificial mouth.
Amit Pokhrel Well, this must be a sort of a pessimistic cowardice that one cannot assert 'itself' that some or any assertions or provocations is/are just utter frustrations or an outcome of some terrific experiences repressed in one's Somnambulist(Unconscious or Semi-Conscious) Mind. Otherwise one does know for real what a feminist is and what 'so-called' whore is.
A feminist is meant to be hyper-conservative in the context of openness by its own definition. Being open to whatever is trying to enter your mouth doesn't make you the one with liberal-eating-behavior and if you are naturally on the circumstance/point of time when you can't or shouldn't close your mouth and let everything enter inside your mouth doesn't mean that you are liking everything that enters or even doesn't mean that you want to let everything enter inside. And again, even if everything enters, by your want or unwantedely, that doesn't make you the one with a liberal-eating-behavior. Period.
Don't assert in a literary ways of Dostoevsky-ian or Hemingway-ian fanboys, because your Text-Book Philosophy type 'so-proclaimed' Theory of Fearism doesn't fit in there, Mr. Desh Subba
Desh Subba some month before there was news in kantipur daily about sexual violence in BBC world. world famous news paper staff were suffering from sexual exploitation from senior male staff for 40 years. Nobody open mouth against him. If they open mouth they may loose job. Fear of losing job they stay silent.
Anup Joshi This is too much generalization. How can you be so sure that prostitute and sex workers are all motivated to speak out loud and their voice is heard? Are females who come from high class all subaltern? is feminism all about exposing rape and violance? and do u think being female is being feminist by default ? are all whores feminist ? or is it the political consciousness that can even grow on a male mind? The early feminism influenced heavily by French Feminism was later highly criticised by materialist feminism for too much generalization and multi cultural feminism emerged which would promote local feminism with respect to class, nationality, race, culture etc. I think both the females from two different class you mentioned, whore and high class have their own problems and solutions. The way whores are supressed by patriarchal society is different than the way women of reputed family are supressed. So comparing and branding whores as true feminist and the rest as coward isn't going to help. Whores are likely to be raped not only by the mischievous clients but also by the police and those in power, but why aren't those news out? its because they are much more supressed as their voice is neglected and muted due to their social status. And like you said females from high class are also usually unable to expose the violance on them due to their reputation and the patriarchal schooling.
My disagreement is with the generalization. Whores and high class women have their own problems at their own level. Whores doesnt have a ruling family and social status doesnt mean they are free to speak in all countries and societies. They might be controlled by the prostitution mafia and their employer. Their voice might be neglected by authorities and media as compared to that of woman from reputed family as society assumes whores are to have sex.
Desh Subba My point in status is if somebody raped prostitute, she can easily say I have raped by somebody. But if world famous feminist is raped by somebody, She can easily say I have raped. It also differs in social consciousness. her personal life, her family back ground. If she has nothing same like whore, then she does not has loose anything, in that condition say may speak. Normally social life is not like this. Most of either male or female they afraid to loose something. When they afraid to loose something they must keep silent. In feminist life up to now nothing happen ? But They never say about themselves. Only say about third person. That's way I said whore are more feminist. At least they say their problem. So many feminist have many domestic problem, like power, money, status, divorce, fighting in male dominated family, society, still they are tolerating. They are not raising voice in family then how can they represent others. This kinds of situation is everywhere but backward, uneducated, unemployed has more. World is male dominated world, so somehow it happens. Feminist means, raise the voice again all kinds of injustice, dis cremation, violence, harassment, exploitation. But it can not find in reality.
Zindi Jong I cannot agree with the quote in your status, but you got a point here if you're narrowing down to the act of "speaking out after raped". But still there is too much presumption, and the two types of woman shouldn't be simply compared like this. Does the condition you mention about both types of women in great generalisation reflect how women are being exploited differently in different positions of the society even nowadays? Simply the act of speaking out after raped does not justify the claim of being more feminist. That's why I don't think the quote sounds good too.
Desh Subba Zindi Jong, g your style of putting is appreciable, Yes you are right, there are many social, culture back ground people. My status also not applicable for all.
Tank Seling I have a premise - "Bachhanalian is audacious person " it can be verify in different aspect however it is logically unsound in real world. Your conclusion based on numerous unwarranted assumption ,thus, it is shaky conclusion.
ndra Thegim Now I think its an open discussion ...let's openly talk and not take as personally Desh Subba dai...
the first and formost thing I wanna clear here is.... A whore is been legally lincenced in advanced cities and her job is been well respected. One should not undermine her job and just point out negatively.
I completely disagree with the explanation of texual feminist who is coward and hypothesis .
What do you mean by hypothesis ?
its means she throws her opinion towards society without her knowledge ?
In what basis will she be coward?
coward from her very own partner?
or
coward from her society ?
or
coward from her own strength?
or
coward from her own upbringing?
सिग्मण्ड सम्योग Agree in this post
The actual thruth can't say to dare . Cause , she has consiciousness. So rape,violence,and sexual harrassment are already hypersensitive out of social recognition.
Ed Smith I have to excuse myself from this very interesting conversation, but will make my final statement for the evening. The ordeals of prostitution are a curse most of us will never know. It is not glorious and it is no braver than facing the fear of starvation and deciding selling yourself is less scary. It is vital that we respect and support all women in their struggle against male domination and for control of their own bodies, whether they are prostitutes, fast food workers, doctors or famous writers. In this way we can make a big dent in the levels of fear of those among us.
Indra Thegim Yes I'm expecting a lot more from Ed Smith sir ...Please do let us know more about "A whore" is a real feminist and " texual feminist" is not.
Sukh Raj I completely agree with "Desh's Concept" ! As to what he mentioned is happening in day-to- today practical life. The great life has many innummerable things to make safe due to his prestige
as welk as credit. And all these things create a bigger fear in comparision to normal life. Always fear of credit and fear like a inchcape rock.
Mostly fear emerged due to prestige. So no prestige no fear is Mr.Subbaa´s concept.
Pancha Vismrit It's quite a thought provoking one. I do not agree with this thought, coz the motives of prostitution and feminism are not same.
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